Extra changes from administration:
· no compensation for human and toss players for technology recalculation,
· compensation for decolonization reduced to 50%,
· severely reduced amount of satellites allowed,
· temporary ability to relocate planets for Premium users.

Новые правки от заказчика:
· компенсации при пересчёте уровней КолТ у людей и тоссов не будет,
· компенсация при «обналичивании» объектов в ходе деколонизации снижена до 50%,
· число спутников за уровень будет драматически снижено,
· можно будет покатать планеты по галактике.

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Это всё объяснено в заглавном сообщении.

Можно.



На сколько уменьшится лимит, столько и можно будет деколонизировать. В объявлении это указано.



Будут просто перенесены. Добавил это в объявление.



Стоимость Шпиля можем изменить заранее.



Астероиды вы можете без особого напряга передать союзникам. У вас ведь большой и дружный альянс.

Находящийся на планете в момент деколонизации. (Если Император не передумает, конечно.)




No, it doesn't mean that. The question was whether Spire's bonus will be tied to the capital (i.e. only the level on capital would matter), and my answer was that we're not going to do that. Spire will work for planet slots the same way Neural Core works for fleet slots: max level across all objects.

The recalculation rules were made that way so new costs would be as close to old as possible. Since new costs have changed, recalculation rules had to be redone too.



I'm sorry that our breaking change has already had a breaking change. But with all the political powers struggling to push their vision, things like these are hard to avoid.
(Imagine the Senate winning in couple of weeks and leaving all top zergs with useless lvl30 Spires…)

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Потому что он ещё не увеличивает. Когда будет увеличивать — тогда и будет сказано.

Я привёл таблицу.



Кровавая Администрация™ постановила: отказать.

New CRP will be 6, not 5.5. Spire's cost would also change, but no existing levels will be recalculated.
Opening post was updated with new details.

Новый КУ технологии будет 6, а не 5.5. Шпиль также получит новую стоимость, но без пересчёта существующих уровней.
Заглавное сообщение обновлено.

На этот случай есть глушение форумного сигнала. Если вас таких недовольных много, то вы без проблем обрежете смутьяну доступ на форум и без административного ресурса.

We're talking about 3 levels because the bonus will be given each 3 levels. And now you're suddenly comparing total cost of levels (x+3, x+2, x+1) with cost of level x, instead of cost of levels (x, x-1, x-2) that were required to get previous bonus? That's not right.



Same as above. If for the last upgrade to get planet you paid 100, this means you paid 100 for previous 3 levels. You're getting the wrong number because you're comparing cost of next 3 levels to a cost of one previous level, instead of 3 previous levels.



Initial cost for Spire is the total cost of it's first 3 levels, which is higher than the cost of tech's first level.

I've added tables for new expected costs for both ColTech and Spire, please check these to see whether we're discriminating against zerg.

No, the current Spire has a problem of high initial costs, which then are becoming more comparable with tech and cheaper after level 30. Because the effective exponent for Spire is lower than the exponent for the new tech.
You gave a formula, let's apply it (I've shortened some variables):
Cost(L) = I*(1-q^L)/(1-q)
Cost(L+3) = I*(1-q^(L+3))/(1-q) = I/(1-q) - I*q^(L+3)/(1-q) = I/(1-q) - I*q^L*q^3/(1-q) = q^3*(I/(q^3*(1-q)) - I*q^L/(1-q)) = q^3*(I/(1-q) - I*q^L/(1-q) - I/(1-q) - I/(q^3*(1-q))) = q^3*(I*(1-q^L)/(1-q) - I*(q^3+1)/(q^3*(1-q))) ≈ q^3*Cost(L)
Blue part is not proprotional to level, and becomes insignificant as level goes up, so the ratio of costs for levels L+n and L would be q^n.



If up to level x you paid 100 units, that doesn't mean level x itself costs 100 units. E.g. if x=3 and you paid 100 total for levels 1, 2 and 3, their costs were something like 18, 30 and 52, so for the next 3 levels you'll have to pay
x+1 -> 52*1.7=88.4
x+2 -> 88.4*1.7=150
x+3 -> 150*1.7=255
With total cost of these 3 levels being 88+150+255=493, which is awfully close to 1.7^3 times 100.

I appreciate people checking my math, but I still believe I'm right in this case.

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I think I had a discussion like that before.



Reworking things for some but not all would be definitely not balanced in this case.



No.
(One of our services decides to act wonky because of some arcane reason, and now every change is because of “server load”. Overmind…)

There will be an extra option in planet settings, where you could use decolonization. It would work the same as abandon, but with compensation of planet's objects, and it will only be usable a limited amount of times.



Most likely it would be a kind of medal, which you will be able to activate on any planet you want.



No objects would be deleted without your explicit action (or your enemy's, but that's not relevant here).
Instead, if you have more objects than your current limit allows, you will have an “overpopulation” debuff, which will reduce your production until you fix either the object count or the limit.



Yes. Satellites will be gradually given with each level (+3, +3, +4, for total of 10 per 3 levels).



That's not how geometric progressions and their sums work.
For example, full Spire24 costs 240M in 'gas equivalent'. New ColTech8 with same effect would cost 210M.
Then, Spire27 has a total cost of 1190M, while new ColTech9 would cost 1150M. Differences are 950M and 940M respectively, almost dead even.
Then, Spire30 has a total cost of 5850M, while new ColTech10 would cost 6330M. Differences are 4660M and 5180M respectively, so the tech is more costly to develop now.

3 levels of Spire have an equivalent CRP of 1.7^3, or 4.913. There's a bit of problem with initial costs (so it takes a lot of levels for Spire to catch up and become cheaper to develop in absolute values), but we've already decided to use CRP 6 for new ColTech so we are going to adjust the Spire too. (All details for new “new” CRP will be announced tomorrow.)